Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3650-1004477444-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20598 invoked by uid 510); 30 Oct 2001 21:30:00 -0000 Received: from n30.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.80) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 21:30:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3650-1004477444-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2001 21:30:44 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 21:30:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 41253 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA26456; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id NAA20945; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:30:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011030131558.00b3ece0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011030195002.95843.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011030104730.00c13160@poptop.llnl.gov> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:33:11 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Arab.world.poverty.--.whose.fault?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 11:50 AM 10/30/01 -0800, you wrote: >Tony and all- To be specific, the word Taliban means student. No >religious connotation. In the translation, yes, it means "student". And who knows the panoply of varied forces that lay behind propping up the Taliban for many years, and whether the Taliban leadership knows the Qur'an in great depth. But I will wager that the bulk of a million farmers and peasants who see themselves as Taliban supporters see themselves as Muslims, and from what I've read, all they need to do is believe "there is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his (last) messenger" to be real Muslims. In that narrow regard, the Taliban qualify as a "valid" Muslim movement, fringe as it may be to most of Islam in its interpretations and practices. >This is a country without any real government at this time, and war >lords rule their piece of the pie and it is clear that the Taliban is >just such a group. What they do in abusing women is not about Islam. >Its about power. Given they control the majority of the nation, Hobb's >law wins. Ownership is 9/10s of the law. Granted. Similarly, Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, referred to as the "occupied" or "contested" or "Palestinian Controlled (?)" territories seized in the 1967 "Six Day War" are an instance of hoping to exert this "Possession is 9/10s of the Law" property. >This is a turf battle that >went global on 11 Sept. Where it goes from here is anyones guess, but >they are not making friends. Unfortunatly, our foreign policy which >has favored Isreal for years is causing us trouble. While no other >Arab nation will overtly join the fight, they are also unwilling to >simply show us support. More of the area nations are also rife to >support for fear that Iraq, or Iran will attack them. There is a good >bit of regional politicking going on which most Americans dont >understand, but may of the area moderates are frightened that similar >movements will start growing in an otherwise moderate arab nations. >This is a no will situation for many parties. > >FYI_ the problem with food shortiges is in part due to a three year >drought. Yes, I understand that. But a government that takes a greater interest in inclusiveness in order to gain extended support and build infrastructure would perhaps have fared better in weathering a series of droughts. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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