Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3750-1004710357-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9122 invoked by uid 510); 2 Nov 2001 14:11:49 -0000 Received: from n16.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.66) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:11:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3750-1004710357-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.1.224] by n16.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2001 14:12:26 -0000 X-Sender: bajwa@i91.net.in X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 71531 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 13:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 13:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.i91.net.in) (203.200.97.98) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 13:30:53 -0000 Received: from m2c4s9 (ra6.i91.net.in [203.200.97.116]) by mail.i91.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07621 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:02:17 +0530 Message-ID: <000401c163a3$0fb31c20$371510ac@m2c4s9> To: <iwar@yahoogroups.com> References: <200111011352.fA1Dqm027244@red.all.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mandeep Singh Bajwa" <bajwa@i91.net.in> X-Yahoo-Profile: mandeep_bajwa Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:17:32 +0530 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Pakistan.sends.supplies.to.Taliban] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pakistan has always been playing all ends against the middle. Portraying itself as a modern, liberal Islamic nation while pandering to the worst kind of fundamentalism, religious hatred and terrorism. By positioning itself as in step with the times it gets the benefit of direct investment and economic aid. It seeks to don the mantle of the leader of the Muslim world by promoting Islamic terror and intervening sometimes militarily wherever sections of the local Muslim population is in conflict with the established govt most notably in Kashmir but also in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia etc. I wonder when the US will understand Pakistan's desire to be a great power and its policy of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds ? Pakistan also needs to understand that the fruits of double-dealing can sometimes be death and destruction. Mandeep Singh Bajwa Director, Military Affairs Group The Defence and Strategic Studies and Military History People Chandigarh, India ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Cohen" <fc@all.net> To: "Information Warfare Mailing List" <iwar@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [iwar] [fc:Pakistan.sends.supplies.to.Taliban] > Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES > > Published 11/1/2001 > > > > The Taliban militia is receiving military and other supplies > covertly from Pakistan despite the Islamabad government's backing for > American military operations, according to U.S. officials. > > The military goods, including ammunition and fuel, are being sent with > the help of elements of the Pakistani government, said officials > familiar with intelligence reports of the transfers. > > Officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the trade is > approved by officials of the Pakistani military and the Inter-Services > Intelligence service (ISI). The ISI, in particular, is said to have > close ties with the Taliban regime. > > The trade is said to take place at night by trucks. The goods travel > from Quetta to the Pakistani border town of Chaman and then on to > Kandahar, a known Taliban stronghold. > > "There are two border control regimes: One before sundown and one after > sundown," said one official. > > The trade violates a resolution by the United Nations imposed in > December that bars arms transfers to Afghanistan or the ruling Taliban > militia. > > The continuing support for the Taliban by Pakistan's intelligence > service highlights the difficulties faced by Islamabad in supporting > U.S. military operations against the Taliban and al Qaeda terrorist > training camps. > > Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf several weeks ago fired ISI chief > Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed who was viewed as insufficiently loyal. > > Gen. Musharraf said during the recent visit to Pakistan by Secretary of > State Colin L. Powell that his government would provide intelligence, > overflight rights and logistical support "as long as the operation" in > Afghanistan goes on. > > It could not be learned whether the illicit trade is approved by the > Pakistan government or is taking place behind the back of Gen. > Musharraf. > > A Pakistani Embassy spokesman denied the government was involved in any > arms shipments or supplies to the Taliban. "This is certainly not true," > said Mian Asad Hayauddin, the spokesman. Mr. Hayauddin said, however, > that the border with Afghanistan is porous, especially in the southern > area and that local tribes are known to conduct cross-border trade. > > Asked about foreign military supplies to the Taliban, a senior defense > official said recently, "We know of no significant aid organized aid > from a foreign state." The official would not answer when asked to > detail the aid. > > Meanwhile, Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem, deputy director of operations for > the Joint Staff, confirmed that B-52 bombers are being used to attack > Taliban troops and terrorist training camps. New reports from > Afghanistan have shown U.S. bombing raids using 500-pound bombs in areas > north of Kabul. > > "The B-52s are being utilized in areas all over the country, including > on Taliban forces in the North," said Adm. Stufflebeem. He declined to > elaborate on the targets of the B-52 bombers but disputed that the raids > were "carpet bombing" - high-altitude bomb drops that were used in the > Vietnam War. > > "I think it's an inaccurate term," said Adm. Stufflebeem. "It's an old > expression. Heavy bombers have the capacity to carry large loads of > weapons, and oftentimes if a target presents itself either in an > engagement zone, or when directed, it's possible to release an entire > load of bombs at once, in which case the real formal term for that is > called a 'longstick,' which has also been called carpet bombing." > > The use of B-52s "is part of our campaign," he said. "We do use it and > have used it, and we'll use it when we need to." > > The use of the B-52s in area bombing raids has followed the arrival in > the past few days of U.S. troops who are assisting the opposition > Northern Alliance by helping to identify targets and directing U.S. air > strikes. > > Pentagon officials said the U.S. soldiers have helped make the bombing > raids more effective. > > U.S. intelligence officials said the Pakistani government of Gen. > Musharraf is struggling against internal opposition from hard-line > Islamic elements within the military and intelligence service that are > sympathetic to the Taliban. "The Taliban is a creature of the ISI," one > official said. > > Two Indian newspapers reported last month that Indian intelligence > services said that Pakistani military-ISI elements were helping the > Taliban with military supplies, including aviation fuel and ammunition. > > The Pioneer newspaper of New Delhi stated that Pakistan military and > intelligence officials are based in Afghanistan and are assisting the > Taliban military forces. > > The Deccan Herald of Bangalore, quoting a classified Indian intelligence > report, stated that the arms from Pakistan to the Taliban were being > sent disguised as United Nations humanitarian relief supplies. > > Adm. Stufflebeem said Taliban "command and control" - the system used to > communicate and direct orders to troops - has been "cut" and "degraded." > > "They're having extreme difficulty communicating one to another," Adm. > Stufflebeem said. "Mullah Omar is still their leader, their commander. > They are still attempting to be able to communicate with Mullah Omar. > They are also trying to be resupplied and reinforced, and they're having > difficulties in all of that. We believe that that puts a terrific amount > of stress on their military capability as their regional commanders, who > have been used to a lot of top-down control, may not be getting that > now." > > Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, meanwhile, leaves today for Russia > and Central Asia. In Moscow, he will discuss arms-control issues and he > will then travel to undisclosed Central Asian nations for talks with > leaders on the operations in Afghanistan. > > Copyright © 2001 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. > > ------------------ > http://all.net/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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