Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3785-1005006495-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24839 invoked by uid 510); 6 Nov 2001 00:27:18 -0000 Received: from n22.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.72) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:27:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3785-1005006495-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2001 00:28:14 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:28:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 27362 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:28:12 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA05121 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id QAA27771 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:28:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011105162156.00c103c0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200111050428.fA54SHN02150@red.all.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:30:31 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Whatever.happened.to.fair.use?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 08:28 PM 11/4/01 -0800, you wrote: >Whatever happened to fair use? >In music sharing, it's the record labels vs. the consumers -- and the battle >is just beginning I find that this debate misses two crucial points. 1. As an individual, it would be untenable for laws to restrict my ability to "create content" (make real and original music or video, use a digital mixer, compress the result) in a format that could be shared at will, via CD or net. 2. No matter what form of format encryption is employed, there must be a point at which the copyright-protected content is decoded and made presentable to the amplification and speaker systems in order to be presented to the owner. I can see no way to prevent to creation of technologies that could capture the stream at such a point, convert analog to digital if needed, and thus capture the unprotected content. Thus, copyright protection MUST be enforced at the "abuse-point", not at the "enablement-point". If anyone has a different opinion, I am all ears. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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