RE: [iwar] [fc:Most.troubled.by.net.security]

From: Leo, Ross (Ross.Leo@csoconline.com)
Date: 2002-01-03 13:06:04


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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:06:04 -0600
Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Most.troubled.by.net.security]
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I cannot believe that this surprises you, Fred.  Surely you jest, or at
least exaggerate.

And they will continue to work into the future.  The dream of quantum
computing for example, will do nothing to solve this same problem - it will
simply enable the good or bad stuff to happen in a much smaller space at
much higher rates of speed.  

The things that worked 30 years relied on the system architecture that today
remains fundamentally and essentially unchanged from then.  All computing
relies on the same principles, and I doubt seriously that a more rigorous
scientific/engineering approach will make any appreciable difference.  You
can make a hammer harmless, but it won't drive nails.  The only way to solve
this conundrum is to either change the fundamental nature of computing and
programming, or change the fundamental nature of people.  

And rather than pass this off as resignation or lunacy, think on the matter
you commented about from a more philosophically critical point of view.
Technology is the same kind of two-edged sword that Damocles had - our
careers bear witness to that.  I have a lot more to say on this subject, but
I will do that in another forum at another time.

Ross A. Leo, CISSP, CBCP
Director, IT Security Engineering
    & Site Security Manager for JSC
CSOC/Omitron - Houston
"Efficient management without effective leadership is like 'straightening
deck chairs on the Titanic.'" - S. Covey




-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Cohen [mailto:fc@all.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 14:32
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Most.troubled.by.net.security]


What amazed me is the final realization that the things that worked 30
years ago to attck systems still work today.  When will this field get
an engineering / scientific basis and approach?  Never?

FC
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