Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4424-1012863390-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7648 invoked by uid 510); 4 Feb 2002 22:57:00 -0000 Received: from n1.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.51) by all.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 22:57:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4424-1012863390-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.187] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2002 22:56:31 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 22:56:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 49946 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 22:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 22:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14501.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.64) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 22:56:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020204225629.93556.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.178.8] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:56:29 PST To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020204132601.00bb4ab0@poptop.llnl.gov> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:56:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:FBI.Raid.Silences.Teen.Anarchist's.Site] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "wise man" speaks again. The FBI overreacts too often to "make an example" of someone, or a group. Yet this is a very grey area of the law and the FBI admits that it is difficult to estimate who will cross that line and actually violate the law. While the Bureau is far from even handed and will trample on the 1st amendment in the name of doing right, these issues have little precident in law, hence they are flying blind. --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > At 10:41 AM 2/4/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >While I agree with the sentiments in the thread regarding the First > >Amendment, I believe the scant details from McWilliams' story point > towards > >illegal *actions* not just provocative speech/opinions. The FBI > >(McLaughlin) seems to recognize this as well. > > Agreed. Once the law is broken, either in the name of "civil > disobedience" > or otherwise, one must expect to be held accountable. Illegally > hacking > into systems matches that criteria. > > But, one has to wonder whether "posting bomb instructions" either > should be > illegal, or should even provide authorities an excuse to single-out > one > malcontent from a sea of others. > > Analogy: (virtually) everyone breaks the speed limit on occasion > while > driving. Being caught is a rather random occurrence that we agree is > > "fair", since anyone can be caught. However, if, in exercising one's > right > to odious speech, one draws the attention of authorities who find > themselves frustrated by the first-amendment protections, and these > authorities exploit the additional attention to uncover instances of > "speeding", THEN those first amendment protections are being subtly > undermined. > > > ____tony____ > > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/nuyOHD/7.PDAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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