Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4578-1015478584-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7467 invoked by uid 510); 7 Mar 2002 05:23:34 -0000 Received: from n31.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.81) by all.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 05:23:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4578-1015478584-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.163] by n31.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2002 05:23:09 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 7 Mar 2002 05:23:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 81383 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 05:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2002 05:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14508.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.71) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 05:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020307052303.53154.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.33.43.194] by web14508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:23:03 PST To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020306040304.22651.qmail@web21007.mail.yahoo.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:Security.Systems.Standards.and.Certification.Act] Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony- take it one step worse. The Sec Commerce is is reality the Sec. of Graft, Vice and international trade scams for the President. Makes it all legal and tidy. I recognize that export controls and others matters of non-import according to the Prez is handled by Commerce. It seems like if a President is going to hit the international trade ooze, Commerce will be more than ready to help out. In some cases, defense exports are dealt with by Commerce. That is so wrong that it is hard to notice anyone seeing it right. They always seem to make John Goti seem like an alter boy! skolyamibyor <skolyamibyor@yahoo.com> wrote: Reads that way to me too. Hmmm... Why the Secretary of COMMERCE, anyway? As a (now-relocated) "DC Brat," Commerce is the LAST department who should be enforcing digital security standards. Commerce and technology are two totally different beasts--or are they? SKByor --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote: > By my read of this act, it would be illegal for me > to write a simple > "hex-dump" utility, using a standard C compiler, and > then share (i.e., > "traffic in") it with anyone. It this how others > read it? > > "Compiling Without a License - Punishable By Law" > > Slight rearrangement of elements below, to make the > case. > > > At 07:32 AM 3/4/02 -0800, Declan wrote: > >Security Systems Standards and Certification Act > > > >Sponsors: Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-S.C.), chairman of > the Senate Commerce > >committee, and Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Draft > dated August 6, 2001. This > >bill has not been introduced as of September 7, > 2001. > > [snip] > > >Sec. 101: Prohibition of Certain Devices > > > >(a) In General -- It is unlawful to manufacture, > import, offer to the > >public, provide or otherwise traffic in any > interactive digital device that > >does not include and utilize certified security > technologies that adhere to > >the security system standards adopted under section > 104. > > Where "interactive digital device" is defined by: > > >(3) Interactive digital device -- The term > "interactive digital device" > >means "any machine, device, product, software, or > technology, whether or not > >included with or as part of some other machine, > device, product, software, > >or technology, that is designed, marketed or used > for the primary purpose > >of, and that is capable of, storing, retrieving, > processing, performing, > >transmitting, receiving, or copying information in > digital form." > > And "certified security technology" is defined by: > > >(1) Certified security technology -- The term > "certified security > >technology" means a security technology certified > by the Secretary of > >Commerce under section 105. > > > Thus, unless and until I get my lousy "hex-dump" > utility (interactive > digital device) to utilize "a security technology > certified by the > Secretary of Commerce" (certified security > technology), I will be in > violation of federal law if and when I "offer to the > public, provide, or > otherwise traffic in" this simple utility. > > ____tony____ > > > Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> > Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA 94551-9900 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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