RE: [iwar] RE: China virus

From: Ozair (ozair_rasheed@geocities.com)
Date: 2001-04-06 20:01:59


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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:01:59 +0500
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After reading all the mail on this topic. I think that the opinions are
voiced with such sentiments due to the recent Spy Plane case. And I believe
that Mr. Rob has very strong negative sentiments against Chinese.

Regards
Ozair

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Williamson [mailto:Glenn_Williamson@ottawa.com]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 5:13 AM
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [iwar] RE: China virus
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All

I think if I read carefully between Rob's words I'll figure it all out, and
say to hell with anti-virus, bring on the various malicious code and we will
all get by.

 Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Rosenberger [mailto:junkmail@barnowl.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:17 PM
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [iwar] RE: China virus


Oh, I wanted to blow the story wide open at first.  I detest the Chinese
regime.  We off'd the Rosenbergs for this kind of stuff, you know.

And I certainly wanted to revel in the irony.  AV firms spit on people who
distribute virus collections for profit, only to get caught distributing
virus collections for profit -- promised by a low-tech communist regime
known for rampant software piracy.  Man, I wallow like a pig in the
industry's sty.

Except I couldn't nail it to an ethical violation.  I detest the Chinese
regime, but the whole thing fits the pattern of a pure marketing decision.
China's demand for viruses, vendors' willingness to comply, CARO's desire to
glue the AV cartel back together, and the individuals who made it all happen
... everything boiled down to The Almighty Dollar.

I thought about blowing the story open (a) for the scoop and (b) to expose
the irony.  Yet if I did so, the cartel would line up as one and declare me
the common enemy.

On the other hand, if it festered long enough, I knew it would eventually
wind up in the press *anyway*.  Richard Clarke, General Eberhart,
Congressman Weldon, they all fear the cyber-Chinese.  You can imagine the
smile on my face when Clarke said (and I quote) "oh shit!" upon learning of
it.  He'd only just come away from his first White House shindig with the
antivirus industry, where he begged them for new ideas to protect the U.S.
from Chinese viruses.

I again thought about blowing the story open (a) for the scoop and (b) to
make Clarke squirm.  Yet again, if I did so, the cartel would line up as one
and declare me the common enemy.  On the other hand, if it continued to
fester, I knew it would eventually wind up in the press *anyway*.  Once the
politicians know about it, it's just a matter of time...

My silence showed the AV cartel how little I cared about their debacle from
an ethical standpoint.  And, of course, when it *did* blow up in the
cartel's face, I could use my own silence to debunk the "omigod here comes
the infowar" crowd.  (Um, no offense.)

Speaking of the "omigod here comes the infowar" crowd...  Here's my take on
the timeline of events:

   * 199? ???: individual AV firms start giving viruses to Chinese
   * 1999 May: U.S. blows up Chinese embassy by mistake
   * 1999 Jun: China declares cyber-war on U.S., nukes the Internet
               with AV-supplied superviruses
   * 1999 Sep: AV firms combine and start giving viruses to Chinese
               as a cartel rather than as individuals
   * 2000 Dec: White House invites AV cartel to discuss ways to stop
               China from nuking the Internet
   * 2001 Jan: White House learns AV cartel gives viruses to Chinese
   * 2001 Mar: Wall Street Journal exposes AV cartel for giving
               viruses to Chinese
   * 2001 Apr: China declares cyber-war on U.S. over EP-3, nukes
               the Internet with AV-supplied superviruses

Well, okay, "1999 Jun" didn't happen.  "2001 Apr" hasn't yet happened, but
it MIGHT!  God, I feel like I miss the Internet already.  Everyone update
your Chinese antivirus software.

I never expected this story to blow open in the Wall Street Journal.  And
I'll tell you this: I didn't rat out the industry.  Someone has bigger balls
than mine...

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From:
sentto-279987-1092-986382505-junkmail=barnowl.com@returns.onelist.com
[mailto:sentto-279987-1092-986382505-junkmail=barnowl.com@returns.onelis
t.com]On Behalf Of Fred Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 6:08 AM
To: iwar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iwar] RE: China virus


Where have you been Rob? You haven't posted articles on this for the
last year? But seriously... what specific issue are you referring to
in your point?

FC
Per the message sent by Rob Rosenberger:

> Where have you been, Fred?  This has been going on since 1999 and I
learned
> about it months ago.  Didn't you see the WSJ expose on Friday?  Look for
my
> previous iwar email...

> Rob

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