Return-Path: <sentto-279987-1290-991700209-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15249 invoked by uid 510); 4 Jun 2001 23:17:37 -0000 Received: from ci.egroups.com (64.211.240.235) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2001 23:17:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-1290-991700209-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2001 00:16:50 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 5 Jun 2001 00:16:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 55369 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2001 00:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2001 00:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2001 00:16:48 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA25906 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id RAA21354 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010604171446.00b41890@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c0ed50$dc2ee000$679dacce@home> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010604111849.00b3e9d0@poptop.llnl.gov> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:24:15 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, Thanks for the support! Fred, when you say "we know how to stop DoS attacks", should I assume that you mean a. Forcing ISPs to not route outgoing packets with bogus source addresses (and blacklisting those that do?) Can this be done, globally? b. Abolishing Internet Anonymity? Can this be done, globally? c. "And now for something entirely different ..."? The only way to effect the (necessarily global) scope of these solutions is to adopt new protocols, and then phase out (refuse to route) the previous ones. Is that your thought in this? ___tony___ At 07:48 PM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >All, > > I have to totally agree with a couple of statements Tony et al have stated >in regard to the DOS that CERT and others experience, having seen them and >having quickly altered router settings so the malformed/misguided protocol >packets do not make it in, I understand the time it takes and the cost >associated with it. But having spent time digesting Steve's work a couple of >days ago, I don't think so much that MS is giving people the ability to >create protocols, I think they are giving them the ability to destroy >protocols. If we eventually get to the point we have to stop allowing >certain protocols to cross the bandwidth then is it not destroying the much >needed protocol. Originally the Net was not there to hide information inside >of various protocols, but that is what it has turned to as we can not stem >the the ability of software to allow full control of protocols >(misconfigure/mis-construct) to the point they cause damage, vice what the >internet was originally made for. > > Well that was my CDN 2 cents worth. > >Glenn >XWAVE <http://www.xwave.com/> >65 Iber Rd >Stittsville, Ont >613-831-0888 (ext# 3055) >mailto:Glenn.Williamson@xwave.com <mailto:Glenn.Williamson@xwave.com> Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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