RE: [iwar] PRIVACY Forum Digest V10 #04 (fwd)

From: Tony Bartoletti (
Date: 2001-06-11 16:59:57

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:59:57 -0700
Subject: RE: [iwar] PRIVACY Forum Digest V10 #04 (fwd)
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Good call, John.

I suppose that is, for me, the *real* threat (foreign or domestic).  By 
exploiting these "channel-use dossiers", one can not only target groups 
ethnically, racially, etc., but can even ferret out "the followers or 
sympathizers of cause X", for whatever "X" happens to be of interest to, 
say, a terrorist (or a wayward law enforcement effort.)  With sufficient 
data history, some independent validation, and statistics, they may be able 
to do this with considerable accuracy, independent of the more traditional 
broad-stroke characterizations such as mere ethnicity.

Once I thought of thwarting the "caller-id" stuff (due to annoying calls 
from vendors) by installing two phone lines, "red phones" and "green 
phones" in my home.  I give my friends the red phone number, and only 
accept calls on red.  Any outgoing calls are placed on green phones (for 
which the "bell" is disabled.)  Silly concept, perhaps.

If web vendors continue to insist upon "double-click-style" 
page-referencing web-dots and other surveillance techniques, and begin to 
restrict your access if they detect you are stripping out their ads and spy 
stuff, the only alternative may be to employ a special web front-end, that 
is (say) randomly surfing dozens of sites every minute, so that the pages 
you actually request are simply slid into the request stream, and are the 
only pages that end up being displayed.

This would serve to "wash out" any meaningful statistics (at the cost of a 
lot of bandwidth!)


At 05:12 PM 6/11/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, just when I was having so much trouble identifying Arabs, Jews and
>other entities for highly focused terrorist targeting here comes American
>advertising and marketing to the rescue. I don't think that this diverges at
>all. I would be very interested to see how well that information is
>protected (if at all) and whether it's available for a small fee. I am quit
>sure that this information, by it's very nature will localize individuals
>and families nearly as well as GPS.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Bartoletti []
>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [iwar] PRIVACY Forum Digest V10 #04 (fwd)
>At 11:46 AM 6/11/01 -0700, I wrote:
> >"Perception Management" (definitely an IWAR topic), is obviously a major
> >tool in the battles over privacy.
>Related to privacy, I just read a NY Times front page column about how
>cable and satellite broadcasters expect, by next year, to begin targeting
>commercials to each home, based upon the perceived age, race, ethnicity or
>viewing habits of that household.  Neighbors might watch the same TV
>program, but see different commercials.  The article gave examples such as
>high-income families seeing ads for Nordstroms, while less-off families see
>Walmart ads.
>Something about this doesn't sit right with me.
>Aside from privacy, this seems to effect a strange and additional force of
>balkanization of the society.  And moreover, it adds to the trend that "we
>know what you want", rather than allowing the receiving party to decide and

Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <>
Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, CA 94551-9900


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