Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3114-1003440695-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.1.0) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2162 invoked by uid 510); 18 Oct 2001 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from n34.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.84) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 21:31:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3114-1003440695-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.1.220] by n34.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2001 21:31:35 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Oct 2001 21:31:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1322 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 21:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 18 Oct 2001 21:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.70) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 21:31:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20011018213131.43203.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.122.183] by web14507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:31:31 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9qmir7+6re9@eGroups.com> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] The role of self-attribution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you remember what the President said-if we find out who actually did this, the bad guys will have a war on their hands. Beyond that, terrorist organizations often do not claim responsibility. Normally the attacked party knows who did it(Marine Barracks in Lebanon-83' Islamic Jihad. They didnt need to send a note as we knew who did it. Otherwise, it is far easier just to slip away into the background for most of these groups until they want to attack again. Less chance of getting caught. Ask me about Ramsey Yousef tonight-very interesting story to demonstrate this idea. He is in a US jail-they put him in the cell and then threw away the cell. --- ellisd@cs.ucsb.edu wrote: > > Why didn't the organization behind the 9/11 attack take credit? > > Why hasn't the organization behind the ongoing anthrax saga taken > credit? > > Is there more information strength in ambiguity? > > The pros (as I see them) to not taking credit are: > -Our inference mechanisms may be incorrect leading to misdirection > -Psychological effects of uncertainty > -subjects insite more fear within themselves than actors could > -in a forest-like organization (as opposed to a tree-like > organization), it is more difficult to attribute credit when there > maybe multiple forces involved, not taking credit avoids rifts > > The cons: > -Other psychological effects > -Being deemed a coward and summarily dismissed > > Undetermined (by myself): > -Which has a greater influence to insight would-be followers? If you > > have no followers but want to take advantage of somebody else's > followers, then obviously not taking credit is a good thing. This, I > > suppose goes along with the misdirection pro. > > I am sure there are better reasons (pros and cons) and I just haven't > > been enlightened yet. Regardless, the lack of self-attribution in > the > recent events has really bothered me. It seems more "manly" for lack > > of a better word (forgive me here, e.r.) to take credit, but so far, > I > can so no real reason to take credit when attribution can be avoided. > > If you feel that I am way off target in context of the recent > attacks, > then please generalize my comments. I am aware of a great deal of > evidence which provides some degree of attribution, but that > attribution is far from complete. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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