Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3154-1003508672-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9832 invoked by uid 510); 19 Oct 2001 16:24:09 -0000 Received: from n3.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.53) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 16:24:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3154-1003508672-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2001 16:24:32 -0000 X-Sender: fastflyer28@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Oct 2001 16:24:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 74999 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 16:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2001 16:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 16:24:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20011019162430.25686.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.78.122.217] by web14507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:24:30 PDT To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011018222736.00b3b460@embassy.org> From: "e.r." <fastflyer28@yahoo.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: fastflyer28 Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [iwar] [fc:You.negotiate.with.your.enemies.with.your.knee.on.his.chest.and.you r.knife.at.his.throat.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have the right attitude. Other than Dharan-postwar, you have all of the big incidents of terrorism and it is chilling to say the least. It has been that way for years. Sadly, our civilian leadership was simply not willing to believe these "tangos" would hit us at home. They certainly caught us flat footed and unprepared. The real question is will the Office of Homeland Security help, or simply muddie the waters more. While the latter is likely, we can all home the former is the outcome. --- Ross Stapleton-Gray <amicus@well.com> wrote: > At 10:20 PM 10/18/01 -0700, Fred Cohen (channeling Bob Wills LtCol of > > Marines (Ret)) wrote: > >My American Perspective. > > > >"You negotiate with your enemies with your knee on his chest and > your > >knife at his throat." > >... > >1979 U.S. Embassy in Tehran > >1983 U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon > >1988 Pan Am flight 103 blown up over Scotland > >1988 U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania destroyed > >1996 Kobhar Towers in Saudi Arabia blown up by car bomb > >2000 USS Cole attacked in Yemen > > You've got to intersperse those dates with other events, of course, > e.g.: > > 1953 U.S.-backed coup deposes Iranian government > 1980 U.S. provides support to Iraq in its war on Iran > 1988 USS Vincennes shoots down Iranian Airbus > > and, of course, a raft of issues regarding Israel; whether or not one > > believes that the U.S. should be a strong ally of Israel, one can > debate > the limits, e.g., in looking the other way re nuclear proliferation > (I'm > not sure if to this day there's an official U.S. position on whether > or not > Israel has the bomb... we didn't get too bent out of shape when > friend > Israel flew an airstrike on Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981, though). > > There's more than one macho-tough dimension to this little policy > crisis, > though. > > Ross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pinpoint the right security solution for your company- Learn how to add 128- bit encryption and to authenticate your web site with VeriSign's FREE guide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yQix2C/33_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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