Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4010-1007501524-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2847 invoked by uid 510); 4 Dec 2001 21:32:31 -0000 Received: from n24.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.74) by all.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 21:32:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4010-1007501524-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.162] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 21:32:07 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 21:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 84250 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 21:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 21:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 21:32:04 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA16753; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id NAA25453; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011204131127.00b43520@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200112041932.fB4JW4N26988@red.all.net> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:36:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [iwar] ... @home coming back, etc. Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fred. >2) 4.1 Million people were summarily kicked off the Internet and are >slowly being put back on under increased restrictions on use - including >that AT&T owns copy and distribution rights to all content passing out >from their network - including not having 'services' on computers in >their network - including knowing how many individuals are users and >charging per individual. The current cable performance is far higher >than before - probably because of very light loads. Many have moved to >other services - I have always had redundancy and used it well - but >others who have to chose have now opted out of @home. Can you elaborate on the source of this information? Was it contained in the "continued use of this service constitutes agreement with all new terms and conditions" mail sent to (former) subscribers? Do you have a sense of what "copy and distribution rights" means, in the context of "content passing *out* of their network"? It seems that would cover all throughput, since it does not necessarily imply "originating in" their network. Does it imply that any content they host for you (your "personal" webspace) becomes theirs to copy and re-distribute at will? What about emails you send? What about content you receive through a passworded account with your stock broker? If I re-establish with them (questionable at this point) I must make an effort to post MBytes of random numbers on a regular basis. And what does "not having services on computers in *their* network" mean? Does it mean "I may not run a gnutella server on *my* personal computer"? Sounds like they want to turn PCs into glorified TV sets. >4) As the @home network came back up, it revealed many many UIDs and >passwords because the modems were not brought up in a restricted enough >operating mode. For those who recorded the traffic, it is a goldmine. I'm glad I disconnected the modem soon after it went "dark" (about 2 AM Saturday), and have not reconnected since, just to avoid such glitches when crossovers occur. Also avoids being held "in agreement" to their new terms, perhaps. Looking into "DirecPC" satellite, although at (best) 400K Baud, it is still only 25% peak cable speeds, and small upload delays due to satellite distance makes its use problematic for real-time response applications. Perhaps AT&T will buy Microsoft next ... or the Justice Dept. ____tony____ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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