Return-Path: <sentto-279987-4011-1007504230-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5200 invoked by uid 510); 4 Dec 2001 22:17:37 -0000 Received: from n29.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.79) by all.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 22:17:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-4011-1007504230-fc=all.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.164] by n29.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2001 22:17:13 -0000 X-Sender: fc@red.all.net X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 22:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 55488 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 22:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 22:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO red.all.net) (12.232.125.69) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 22:17:12 -0000 Received: (from fc@localhost) by red.all.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id fB4MJU807731 for iwar@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:19:30 -0800 Message-Id: <200112042219.fB4MJU807731@red.all.net> To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011204131127.00b43520@poptop.llnl.gov> from "Tony Bartoletti" at Dec 04, 2001 01:36:13 PM Organization: I'm not allowed to say X-Mailer: don't even ask X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: Fred Cohen <fc@all.net> X-Yahoo-Profile: fcallnet Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:19:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [iwar] ... @home coming back, etc. Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti: > Hi Fred. > >2) 4.1 Million people were summarily kicked off the Internet and are > >slowly being put back on under increased restrictions on use - including > >that AT&T owns copy and distribution rights to all content passing out > >from their network - including not having 'services' on computers in > >their network - including knowing how many individuals are users and > >charging per individual. The current cable performance is far higher > >than before - probably because of very light loads. Many have moved to > >other services - I have always had redundancy and used it well - but > >others who have to chose have now opted out of @home. > Can you elaborate on the source of this information? Was it contained in > the "continued use of this service constitutes agreement with all new terms > and conditions" mail sent to (former) subscribers? It was included in the contract provided by AT&T. > Do you have a sense of what "copy and distribution rights" means, in the > context of "content passing *out* of their network"? It seems that would > cover all throughput, since it does not necessarily imply "originating in" > their network. Does it imply that any content they host for you (your > "personal" webspace) becomes theirs to copy and re-distribute at > will? That's what it seems to include. All content originating from any computer on their service and sent through their service. > What about emails you send? What about content you receive through > a passworded account with your stock broker? Yep - that's what they claim in their contract. > And what does "not having services on computers in *their* network" mean? It means that you may not support a web site, ftp server, sh server, etc. > Does it mean "I may not run a gnutella server on *my* personal computer"? Correct. Not accessible via their service. --This communication is confidential to the parties it is intended to serve-- Fred Cohen Fred Cohen & Associates.........tel/fax:925-454-0171 fc@all.net The University of New Haven.....http://www.unhca.com/ http://all.net/ Sandia National Laboratories....tel:925-294-2087 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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