Re: [iwar] ... @home coming back, etc.

From: Fred Cohen (fc@all.net)
Date: 2001-12-04 14:19:30


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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:19:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [iwar] ... @home coming back, etc.
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Per the message sent by Tony Bartoletti:

> Hi Fred.

> >2) 4.1 Million people were summarily kicked off the Internet and are
> >slowly being put back on under increased restrictions on use - including
> >that AT&T owns copy and distribution rights to all content passing out
> >from their network - including not having 'services' on computers in
> >their network - including knowing how many individuals are users and
> >charging per individual.  The current cable performance is far higher
> >than before - probably because of very light loads.  Many have moved to
> >other services - I have always had redundancy and used it well - but
> >others who have to chose have now opted out of @home.

> Can you elaborate on the source of this information?  Was it contained in 
> the "continued use of this service constitutes agreement with all new terms 
> and conditions" mail sent to (former) subscribers?

It was included in the contract provided by AT&T.

> Do you have a sense of what "copy and distribution rights" means, in the 
> context of "content passing *out* of their network"?  It seems that would 
> cover all throughput, since it does not necessarily imply "originating in" 
> their network.  Does it imply that any content they host for you (your 
> "personal" webspace) becomes theirs to copy and re-distribute at 
> will? 

That's what it seems to include.  All content originating from any
computer on their service and sent through their service.

> What about emails you send?  What about content you receive through 
> a passworded account with your stock broker?

Yep - that's what they claim in their contract.

> And what does "not having services on computers in *their* network" mean?

It means that you may not support a web site, ftp server, sh server,
etc.

>      Does it mean "I may not run a gnutella server on *my* personal computer"?

Correct.  Not accessible via their service.

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