Re: [iwar] ... @home coming back, etc.

From: e.r. (fastflyer28@yahoo.com)
Date: 2001-12-04 14:39:27

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Tony and all-it is such fun when the Justice Dept turns a blind eye
when megacorps such as ATT/EXCITE use their dollar power and the Bush
Admin rolls over and says "do what you like, megacorp"? Their
leadership will be the people to get big tax breaks so it is O.K.
Didn't we all understand that megacorps and their overpaid owners are
the only folks who know how to spend money in a manner which will help
the rest of us,so don't worry, Tony, the money is in the right hands
according to "W".ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. i.e. most of us are
SOL.I wish the news of deregulation were better, but if dereg is
twisted in the "right"  direction, all is well in President's garden.
 --- Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> wrote:
> Hi Fred.
> 
> >2) 4.1 Million people were summarily kicked off the Internet and are
> >slowly being put back on under increased restrictions on use -
> including
> >that AT&T owns copy and distribution rights to all content passing
> out
> >from their network - including not having 'services' on computers in
> >their network - including knowing how many individuals are users and
> >charging per individual.  The current cable performance is far
> higher
> >than before - probably because of very light loads.  Many have moved
> to
> >other services - I have always had redundancy and used it well - but
> >others who have to chose have now opted out of @home.
> 
> Can you elaborate on the source of this information?  Was it
> contained in 
> the "continued use of this service constitutes agreement with all new
> terms 
> and conditions" mail sent to (former) subscribers?
> 
> Do you have a sense of what "copy and distribution rights" means, in
> the 
> context of "content passing *out* of their network"?  It seems that
> would 
> cover all throughput, since it does not necessarily imply
> "originating in" 
> their network.  Does it imply that any content they host for you
> (your 
> "personal" webspace) becomes theirs to copy and re-distribute at 
> will?  What about emails you send?  What about content you receive
> through 
> a passworded account with your stock broker?
> 
> If I re-establish with them (questionable at this point) I must make
> an 
> effort to post MBytes of random numbers on a regular basis.
> 
> And what does "not having services on computers in *their* network"
> mean?
> 
>      Does it mean "I may not run a gnutella server on *my* personal
> computer"?
> 
> Sounds like they want to turn PCs into glorified TV sets.
> 
> >4) As the @home network came back up, it revealed many many UIDs and
> >passwords because the modems were not brought up in a restricted
> enough
> >operating mode.  For those who recorded the traffic, it is a
> goldmine.
> 
> I'm glad I disconnected the modem soon after it went "dark" (about 2
> AM 
> Saturday), and have not reconnected since, just to avoid such
> glitches when 
> crossovers occur.  Also avoids being held "in agreement" to their new
> 
> terms, perhaps.
> 
> Looking into "DirecPC" satellite, although at (best) 400K Baud, it is
> still 
> only 25% peak cable speeds, and small upload delays due to satellite 
> distance makes its use problematic for real-time response
> applications.
> 
> Perhaps AT&T will buy Microsoft next ... or the Justice Dept.
> 
> ____tony____
> 
> 
> Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov>
> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center
> Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
> Livermore, CA 94551-9900
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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