Return-Path: <sentto-279987-3597-1004379169-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com> Delivered-To: fc@all.net Received: from 204.181.12.215 [204.181.12.215] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.7.4) for fc@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12232 invoked by uid 510); 29 Oct 2001 18:12:08 -0000 Received: from n5.groups.yahoo.com (216.115.96.55) by 204.181.12.215 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 18:12:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-279987-3597-1004379169-fc=all.net@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 18:12:49 -0000 X-Sender: azb@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 18:12:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 43635 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 18:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.81) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 18:12:41 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.llnl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/LLNL-gateway-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA23291 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from catalyst.llnl.gov (catalyst.llnl.gov [128.115.222.68]) by poptop.llnl.gov (8.8.8/LLNL-3.0.2/pop.llnl.gov-5.1) with ESMTP id KAA21115 for <iwar@yahoogroups.com>; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:12:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011029100448.00b34be0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e048786@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: iwar@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011027201754.59782.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011026221012.00c29440@embassy.org> From: Tony Bartoletti <azb@llnl.gov> Mailing-List: list iwar@yahoogroups.com; contact iwar-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list iwar@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:iwar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:14:58 -0700 Reply-To: iwar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [iwar] [fc:Arab.world.poverty.--.whose.fault?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me, but I am led to believe that after the Soviets were forced out, our involvement did not end. The flow of arms (or money, either way) for anti-Soviet resistance may have waned, true. But until roughly the period of Khobar Towers and the USS Cole bombing, it seems we have continued financially to support Pakistan in supporting the Taliban, as a "stablizing force" that would help ensure a big-oil return-on-investment for a pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afganistan and Pakistan, to the sea. Perhaps this is all anti-American propaganda. But curiously, just last night, A CNN "Headline News" anchor was reporting on the prospects for a coalition that would re-instate the exiled Afgan King, remarking that this coalition would include a considerable "aid package" for the region that would include -- you guessed it -- that very same pipeline. Spin on top of Spin? ____tony____ At 01:17 PM 10/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >I Might point out that the US had no involvement other than supplying >the anti-Soviet afgans with weapons. We plyed no role other that prior >to Sept 11. Unlike Vietnam, we played only a cameo in this fight. You >disappointment me with your lack of understanding of the present >situation. We never were active players in the war with Russia. While >we worked out of pakistan to supply weapons. what the Pakistanias did >in that war ia There problems is for them to answer for. > >Afganistan was not even a strategic partner. See China if yoy see who >helped us keep tabs on the Soviets during this time/ >--- Ross Stapleton-Gray <amicus@well.com> wrote: > > At 10:21 PM 10/26/01 -0700, e.r. wrote: > > >Whose fault is the peoples suffering? The bad guys can start taking > > >numbers. We just came on the scene after 11 Sept... > > > > Huh? The situation in Afghanistan is certainly in part due to our > > past > > involvement, for good or ill; the U.S., with Pakistan as a channel, > > pumped > > resources into Afghanistan to fight the USSR in one of the last proxy > > wars > > of the Cold War. > > > > One might speculate what would have happened had the U.S. not > > promoted the > > Mujaheddin as insurgents against the Soviets... might Afghanistan > > have been > > more like Mongolia, i.e., loosely in the Soviet sphere of influence, > > then > > cut loose when the Soviet empire fell apart? What we've now got, to > > some > > extent, are chickens coming home to roost. > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > > >------------------ >http://all.net/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Tony Bartoletti 925-422-3881 <azb@llnl.gov> Information Operations, Warfare and Assurance Center Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA 94551-9900 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE VeriSign guide to security solutions for your web site: encrypting transactions, securing intranets, and more! http://us.click.yahoo.com/UnN2wB/m5_CAA/yigFAA/kgFolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ------------------ http://all.net/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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